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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: jane austin + zombies Reply with quote

wow... I find this to be pretty exciting

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102485068

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look, the Chinese love zombies. They just need to replace the cover.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not even a book snob and I can't tell you how hard I disapprove.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaster wrote:
I'm not even a book snob and I can't tell you how hard I disapprove.


I'm fine with it. It's all in good fun. What about 'Gatsby'? And that illustrated hipster bible? Also, it was the 19th century equivalent of a soap opera anyway... I think the zombies will be an improvement.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

epb wrote:
I'm fine with it. It's all in good fun. What about 'Gatsby'? And that illustrated hipster bible?


I don't approve of any of that... these people need to come up with their own shit, and stop reducing it to the lowest common denominator... and then adding zombies.

We already have a 'Gatsby'... it's called The Great Gatsby. We alright have a 'hipster bible'... it's called The Bible.

Damnit people, pick up a real book.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preferably not authored by Richard A. Knaak.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't get The Great Gatsby. It just isn't very good. Why does everyone love it so hard?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kallie wrote:
I just don't get The Great Gatsby. It just isn't very good. Why does everyone love it so hard?



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really more of a boxturtle.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchicken wrote:
Really more of a boxturtle.


Whatever.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't see how you can say it's not very good. It's well-written, tells an interesting story, and is widely considered one of the greatest English-language novels ever written. Even if you don't agree with the last part and don't feel very strongly about the second part, you can't realistically call it not very good. Just say you don't like it.

I think any book you read for class should get a pass when it comes to reviews. You're more inclined to hate them because people are trying to interpret them for you and all that. Like that English teacher that said the chapter title The Sun also referred to The Son, even though the book was a translation from French or whatever. Fight the power.

The Red Badge of Courage or The Heart of Darkness on the other hand...fuck those things.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchicken wrote:
I just don't see how you can say it's not very good. It's well-written, tells an interesting story, and is widely considered one of the greatest English-language novels ever written. Even if you don't agree with the last part and don't feel very strongly about the second part, you can't realistically call it not very good. Just say you don't like it.

I think any book you read for class should get a pass when it comes to reviews. You're more inclined to hate them because people are trying to interpret them for you and all that. Like that English teacher that said the chapter title The Sun also referred to The Son, even though the book was a translation from French or whatever. Fight the power.

The Red Badge of Courage or The Heart of Darkness on the other hand...fuck those things.


I guess I just don't understand what 'well-written' means. I found the prose adequate, but uninspired. That would be fine if there was some fantastic message behind it, but materialism and moral corruption are so much an integral part of today that those whiny little themes don't really have anything to say about the present.

Basically, this is what I get from The Great Gatsby, is this:

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote:
Hey, there's this guy, and he's doing stuff. Please notice decadence here and here, moral corruption here, here, and here, and wanton materialism here.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if it doesn't have anything to say about today, and I completely disagree, that's not the point. Novels do not have to have modern thematic relevance to be good. Except (maybe) if they're written today.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchicken wrote:
Novels do not have to have modern thematic relevance to be good.


I agree. They could just be entertaining and well written, like Pride and Prejudice. But The Great Gatsby isn't either of those.
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