DOOMCom Forum Index
is 2017
is 2017
 

fnord
Value Voters Summit: Porn Makes You Gay

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    DOOMCom Forum Index :: General
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jaster is back in black
Mod Emperor of Dune


Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 2700

PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Value Voters Summit: Porn Makes You Gay Reply with quote

http://washingtonindependent.com/60172/sen-tom-coburns-r-okla-chief-of-staff-all-pornography-is-homosexual-pornography

I can't say that I'm completely sure where he's going with this:

Quote:
Schwartz told the crowd about Jim Johnson, a friend of his who turned an old hotel into a hospice for gay men dying of AIDS. “One of the things he said to me,” said Schwartz, “that I think is an astonishingly insightful remark… he said ‘All pornography is homosexual pornography, because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards.”


What does any of that even mean?

'Value voters'... a blight upon the Republic...
_________________
When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
-Children of Dune, attributed to Louis Veuillot
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
awerbos
Mendicant


Joined: 29 Jul 2009
Posts: 167

PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty obvious if you read the next thing he says:

Quote:
Now, think about that,” said Schwartz. “And if you tell an 11-year-old boy about that, do you think he’s going to want to get a copy of Playboy? I’m pretty sure he’ll lose interest. That’s the last thing he wants! You know, that’s a good comment, it’s a good point, and it’s a good thing to teach young people.


He's trying to make boys hate pornography, something they like, by associating it with homosexuality, something he believes they don't.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
epb
Mendicant


Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 451

PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Value Voters Summit: Porn Makes You Gay Reply with quote

jaster wrote:
http://washingtonindependent.com/60172/sen-tom-coburns-r-okla-chief-of-staff-all-pornography-is-homosexual-pornography

I can't say that I'm completely sure where he's going with this:

Quote:
Schwartz told the crowd about Jim Johnson, a friend of his who turned an old hotel into a hospice for gay men dying of AIDS. “One of the things he said to me,” said Schwartz, “that I think is an astonishingly insightful remark… he said ‘All pornography is homosexual pornography, because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards.”


What does any of that even mean?

'Value voters'... a blight upon the Republic...


Yeah, it seems pretty out there. I was thinking about it, and perhaps you can sort of make his argument (i.e., porn makes you gay) more valid if you assume that "turning your sexual drive inwards" equates to masturbation. (And masturbation makes you gay, etc. etc.) His argument does beg the question of whether porn makes you gay if you don't watch it alone, though.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
awerbos
Mendicant


Joined: 29 Jul 2009
Posts: 167

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His argument is not that masturbation is gay, it's that if you tell young boys that it is, they won't want to do it.

Also, please look up what "begs the question" means.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jaster is back in black
Mod Emperor of Dune


Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 2700

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awerbos wrote:
His argument is not that masturbation is gay, it's that if you tell young boys that it is, they won't want to do it.

Also, please look up what "begs the question" means.



_________________
When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
-Children of Dune, attributed to Louis Veuillot
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mchicken is dejected.
Cover of Rush's Seminal Album


Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 3835

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't we have a discussion during the debates about how everyone uses that phrase incorrectly?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
epb
Mendicant


Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 451

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awerbos wrote:
His argument is not that masturbation is gay, it's that if you tell young boys that it is, they won't want to do it.


Nobody said that his argument is that masturbation is gay.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
epb
Mendicant


Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 451

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchicken wrote:
Didn't we have a discussion during the debates about how everyone uses that phrase incorrectly?


I don't remember... It's kind of like "disingenuous;" the "incorrect" usage is now often considered to be correct (colloquially and formally). There are plenty of differences though. And it always sounds a little wrong to me when people use "disingenuous" to mean "not genuine."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mchicken is dejected.
Cover of Rush's Seminal Album


Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 3835

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

epb wrote:
awerbos wrote:
His argument is not that masturbation is gay, it's that if you tell young boys that it is, they won't want to do it.


Nobody said that his argument is that masturbation is gay.




Where's that All Saints Day?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    DOOMCom Forum Index :: General All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
Charcoal2 Theme © Zarron Media