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mchicken is dejected. Cover of Rush's Seminal Album
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Taking pride in your work... |
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So I went to Dunkin' Donuts to get a cup of coffee because they offer it in a larger size than Starbucks now, and I can order it with a name that is in English (although at Starbucks I just say "large" and make them convert that into their nonsense system). Because it's 8 pm, the place is empty and they probably get 1 customer every 15 minutes. The woman was understandably upset that I was disturbing her nap. She asked me if I wanted cream and sugar. I said, "just cream." She said, "just cream?" I said, "yes, just cream."
And of course, I look at it as she's putting the lid on and it's black as night. What did I get? Just sugar.
Maybe Vernon is right. |
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lugo is unable to remember his password. Such an Aries
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, "just cream" is a terrible decision. She was trying to help you out. _________________ ' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'. |
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jaster is back in black Mod Emperor of Dune
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Taking pride in your work... |
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mchicken wrote: | Maybe Vernon is right. |
Damn Straight _________________ When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
-Children of Dune, attributed to Louis Veuillot
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lugo is unable to remember his password. Such an Aries
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I should have asked this before wasting time typing a dubiously witty response:
Right about what? _________________ ' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'. |
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epb Mendicant
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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lugo wrote: | I guess I should have asked this before wasting time typing a dubiously witty response:
Right about what? |
He thinks that employees in the food service industry no longer take pride in their work (as indicated by asymmetrically sliced sandwiches, burnt crepes, that kind of thing) but that they should. |
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mchicken is dejected. Cover of Rush's Seminal Album
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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lugo wrote: | To be fair, "just cream" is a terrible decision. She was trying to help you out. |
How is it a terrible decision? |
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lugo is unable to remember his password. Such an Aries
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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mchicken wrote: | lugo wrote: | To be fair, "just cream" is a terrible decision. She was trying to help you out. |
How is it a terrible decision? |
Because your coffee will taste terrible.
Honestly, think Vernon's observation is somewhat limitis absent in most industries. Pride in one's work is absent in most industries. For example, I asymmetrically slice my macros all the time because I can't take pride in being the only one in my company capable of critical thinking. _________________ ' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'. |
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jaster is back in black Mod Emperor of Dune
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: |
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epb wrote: | He thinks that employees in the food service industry no longer take pride in their work (as indicated by asymmetrically sliced sandwiches, burnt crepes, that kind of thing) but that they should. |
This is fairly inaccurate in the following ways:
1) I never said that this applies only to the food service industry.
2) I never said that such employees should take more pride in their work; just that they would be better humans were they to do so. _________________ When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
-Children of Dune, attributed to Louis Veuillot |
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lizakova is shinying up her life. Kitty Guardian
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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epb wrote: | lugo wrote: | I guess I should have asked this before wasting time typing a dubiously witty response:
Right about what? |
He thinks that employees in the food service industry no longer take pride in their work (as indicated by asymmetrically sliced sandwiches, burnt crepes, that kind of thing) but that they should. |
That woman is paid the same hourly wage regardless of whether she makes good (or accurate) coffee or not. She is an unskilled laborer and her only hope of promotion is to one day become the shift leader of that Dunkin Donuts, which probably doesn't pay much more than her current job. Therefore, she might as well conserve her energy and give terrible service, because picking on other people makes her feel better about herself.
Now imagine a country full of people with a same mentality. You know what you get? Russia. Fuck that place. |
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kallie is +2 Lifthrasir
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lizakova wrote: | epb wrote: | lugo wrote: | I guess I should have asked this before wasting time typing a dubiously witty response:
Right about what? |
He thinks that employees in the food service industry no longer take pride in their work (as indicated by asymmetrically sliced sandwiches, burnt crepes, that kind of thing) but that they should. |
That woman is paid the same hourly wage regardless of whether she makes good (or accurate) coffee or not. She is an unskilled laborer and her only hope of promotion is to one day become the shift leader of that Dunkin Donuts, which probably doesn't pay much more than her current job. Therefore, she might as well conserve her energy and give terrible service, because picking on other people makes her feel better about herself.
Now imagine a country full of people with a same mentality. You know what you get? Russia. Fuck that place. |
lizakova is committed to the values expressed in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights? |
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lizakova is shinying up her life. Kitty Guardian
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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kallie wrote: | lizakova wrote: | epb wrote: | lugo wrote: | I guess I should have asked this before wasting time typing a dubiously witty response:
Right about what? |
He thinks that employees in the food service industry no longer take pride in their work (as indicated by asymmetrically sliced sandwiches, burnt crepes, that kind of thing) but that they should. |
That woman is paid the same hourly wage regardless of whether she makes good (or accurate) coffee or not. She is an unskilled laborer and her only hope of promotion is to one day become the shift leader of that Dunkin Donuts, which probably doesn't pay much more than her current job. Therefore, she might as well conserve her energy and give terrible service, because picking on other people makes her feel better about herself.
Now imagine a country full of people with a same mentality. You know what you get? Russia. Fuck that place. |
lizakova is committed to the values expressed in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights? |
Yes. Russians. |
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xavid is surprised at continuity. ≠√3
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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lizakova wrote: | epb wrote: | He thinks that employees in the food service industry no longer take pride in their work (as indicated by asymmetrically sliced sandwiches, burnt crepes, that kind of thing) but that they should. |
That woman is paid the same hourly wage regardless of whether she makes good (or accurate) coffee or not. She is an unskilled laborer and her only hope of promotion is to one day become the shift leader of that Dunkin Donuts, which probably doesn't pay much more than her current job. Therefore, she might as well conserve her energy and give terrible service, because picking on other people makes her feel better about herself. |
We are trending towards a society when most people are completely divorced from the administration of their jobs and have no motivation to take pride in their work. I think a lot of this comes from both having no reward when the business does well (and thus no selfish desire to help it do so) and not having any ability to make meaningful decisions (which is rather dehumanizing). |
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lugo is unable to remember his password. Such an Aries
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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It's sort of the nature of the beast with corporations. I get stock options and all that crap, but even that is barely any incentive. My work (almost) never has a direct effect on those numbers, so it's no really any motivation.
The question is, can we do anything about it? Probably not. _________________ ' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'. |
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